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brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the contours of this, and if we want to win hearts and minds to go back to a vietnam plauz, what are thrase, the contours of this? will it expand and come back to hit us in a strong way? >> as someone who knows the pro and con intell and we send people into the area to make people suspicious of each other, and killed people in a domestic sphere, aed on the know the ugliness and the nastiness of that and the ways in which have sat over and against any american notice that we are not the kind of country that does that, but to get on the other side of co-intel to say i
brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the...
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underlying the whole thing, which mr. brennan was referring to, is that they have put together so many other processes procedures. they have a play both. this is another secret documents that we are not sure has been officially approved. it has been worked on for months and months without the input of congress. we are not asking for every last detail of these programs to be released. the american public and the rest of the world has a right to know what the basic rules that are applying. john talked about the internal process. from newspaper reports, it sounds like there is a lot of input and discussion that goes on among the agencies. it is good to have that kind of discussion. if there is an internal process, people have a right to know. we are not asking for every operational detail of every attack. the basic rules -- letting people know what the rules are in keeping those rules stable is fundamental to that. host: john bellinger, how much do the american people need to know about targeted killings and how much goes on
underlying the whole thing, which mr. brennan was referring to, is that they have put together so many other processes procedures. they have a play both. this is another secret documents that we are not sure has been officially approved. it has been worked on for months and months without the input of congress. we are not asking for every last detail of these programs to be released. the american public and the rest of the world has a right to know what the basic rules that are applying. john...
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. >> it seems mr. brennan has had a couple positions on a number of issues, including waterboarding. is he a political man from your knowledge of him? >> well, i mean he's very good at the political game in washington. you don't get to the positions that he's arrived at without being savvy in washington, d.c. that's just the way it works. he's a smart individual, he's a very hard working individual. he's got a lot of very good experience. but there is this concern -- and it was clear during the course of the hearing, which was one of the more interesting and stranger confirmation hearings we've had in recent past. he came across i thought as a little bit to do perhaps deferential and apologetic when the senators were coming after him for a variety of reasons. none of which had to do with confirmation as a c.i.a. director. they seemed self-righteous and self serving as a group of senators on the intel committee. >> it's hard to know where he stands because of his political savviness. in 2007, he said he
. >> it seems mr. brennan has had a couple positions on a number of issues, including waterboarding. is he a political man from your knowledge of him? >> well, i mean he's very good at the political game in washington. you don't get to the positions that he's arrived at without being savvy in washington, d.c. that's just the way it works. he's a smart individual, he's a very hard working individual. he's got a lot of very good experience. but there is this concern -- and it was...
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government make decisions as to who should be on their kill list and mr brennan would certainly be the most appropriate person to ask because he is known to have been in charge of the kill list and he's known as the architect of the administration's targeted assassinations program so the question of who the drones are targeting was critical and one of the senators asked john brennan whether there should be at least some judicial oversight over those executions by drones and here's what he said none of those actions or to determine past guilt for those actions that he took the decisions that are me or to take action so that we prevent a future action to protect american lives so the rationale that john brennan gave for not going to court is that the administration is not in the business of punishing individuals but it's in the business of preventing attacks he basically says the u.s. government could execute people for what they haven't done yet you would expect a follow up questions from lawmakers as to how the administration determines the level of threat as these people constitute le
government make decisions as to who should be on their kill list and mr brennan would certainly be the most appropriate person to ask because he is known to have been in charge of the kill list and he's known as the architect of the administration's targeted assassinations program so the question of who the drones are targeting was critical and one of the senators asked john brennan whether there should be at least some judicial oversight over those executions by drones and here's what he said...
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are they more important [inaudible] >> please, proceed, mr. brennan. the next time we will clear the chamber and bring people back in one by one. this witness is entitled to be heard, ladies and gentlemen. please, give him that opportunity. >> to keep it a heartfelt thank you customize family in new jersey, a 91-year-old mother and 92-year-old father who emigrated from ireland nearly 65 years ago. >> [inaudible] i have a list of the names -- >> we're going to halt the hearing. i will ask the room be cleared and the codepink associates not be permitted to come back in. we have done this five times now. five times are enough. >> that is just what they did, cleared the hall. eight codepink activists were arrested. that is an excerpt from tuesday's confirmation hearing for john brennan to head the cia. we're joined by one of the protesters who was in the confirmation hearing, there to interrupt him before capitol police removed her and doesn't others, medea benjamin, founder of codepink -- and a dozen others, medea benjamin, founder of codepink. can you ta
are they more important [inaudible] >> please, proceed, mr. brennan. the next time we will clear the chamber and bring people back in one by one. this witness is entitled to be heard, ladies and gentlemen. please, give him that opportunity. >> to keep it a heartfelt thank you customize family in new jersey, a 91-year-old mother and 92-year-old father who emigrated from ireland nearly 65 years ago. >> [inaudible] i have a list of the names -- >> we're going to halt the...
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how does the white house feel about how things went with mr. brennan? >> reporter: well, talking to folks, the democrats here in d.c., there is a lot of confidence in brennan's performance because it's the complete opposite of hagel. they felt brennan looked self-assured. he gave a spirited defense to the administration's policies and most importantly he was also humble. he said there should be more information put forward in terms of when these drone strikes occur if civilians are injured. this hearing for mr. brennan also sort of placated a lot of democrats on that committee because the white house released papers from the department of justice explaining the legal rationale behind the drone strikes. so overall, the feel something that john brennan performed admirably, that he will move forward and he will be a good director of the cia. they felt that the committee hearing went as well as it could be. what's interesting, martin, john brennan has 25 years experience at the cia and that's really what we've heard. he's the most experienced person to take
how does the white house feel about how things went with mr. brennan? >> reporter: well, talking to folks, the democrats here in d.c., there is a lot of confidence in brennan's performance because it's the complete opposite of hagel. they felt brennan looked self-assured. he gave a spirited defense to the administration's policies and most importantly he was also humble. he said there should be more information put forward in terms of when these drone strikes occur if civilians are...
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government make decisions as to who should be on their kill list and mr brennan would certainly be the most appropriate person to ask because he is known to have been in charge of the kill list and he's known as the architect of the administration's targeted assassinations. who the drones are targeting was critical and one of the senators asked john brennan whether there should be at least some judicial oversight over those executions by drones and here's what he said none of those actions or to determine past guilt for those actions that he took the decisions that are made or to take action so that we prevent future action to protect american lives so the rationale that john brennan gave for not going to court is that the administration is not in the business of punishing individuals but it's in the business of preventing attacks he basically says the u.s. government could execute people for what they haven't done yet you would expect a follow up questions from lawmakers as to how the administration determines the level of threat as these people constitute let's imagine an angry yemen
government make decisions as to who should be on their kill list and mr brennan would certainly be the most appropriate person to ask because he is known to have been in charge of the kill list and he's known as the architect of the administration's targeted assassinations. who the drones are targeting was critical and one of the senators asked john brennan whether there should be at least some judicial oversight over those executions by drones and here's what he said none of those actions or...
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mr. brennan, that is your shop. do you have any knowledge about why senator graham's question was not to be answered? >> there is a longstanding tradition understanding of respecting the executive privilege that exists in the presidency in terms of what information is provided to the president or advice, counsel, to him. i would suspect that that question gets into this issue of the executive privilege which i think again has been a long standing tradition. >> are you sure that is the answer or do you think? >> i do not understand, because that will not be a request coming to me. >> i understand, so my direction to you, at what i ask you, is that you review that. we will get you the and notation, if necessary. secretary panetta told us it was detainee information that was key to them finding the courier and bin laden. were you briefed by any of the analysts who tracked down bin laden? >> before the operation? >> yes. >> yes, absolutely. >> is that the information given to you, that it came from interrogation of deta
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it was explosive at times with brenn brennan defending the action. >> with the exception of mr. panetta, i feel like i've been jerked around by every cia director. >> 11 united states senators asked to see any and all legal opinions but when i went to read the opinions this morning, it is not clear that that is what was provided. >> we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives, when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. >> they won't even tell congress what countries we are killing children in. >> please -- >> senator feinstein zsh if you could please expedite the removal. >>> we have michael isakoff, and the correspondent who obtained the white page memo, jim warren, chicago editor of the daily beast and newsweek and karen finney and john braybender. michael, i want to start with you because it was your reporting that started all of this for the american people to get to learn more about how the administration feels it is legal in the choices made for drone strikes. one thing politico is reporting in the article that
it was explosive at times with brenn brennan defending the action. >> with the exception of mr. panetta, i feel like i've been jerked around by every cia director. >> 11 united states senators asked to see any and all legal opinions but when i went to read the opinions this morning, it is not clear that that is what was provided. >> we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives, when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that...
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welcome, mr. brennan. if confirmed, you will lead an extraordinary agency with extraordinary people who perform extraordinary services, most of them totally unknown by the american people. most people do not think about that. most of us in public service want everything we do to be known. it is how we got elected. it is very different than the central intelligence agency and i respect it very much. i want to move from ieit to the enhanced interrogation techniques. you talk about the 6000 pages. i will pour out my frustration on dealing with the central intelligence agency and various administrations trying to get information. why was it they felt we were so unworthy of being trusted? why was it they were willing to talk to pat roberts, me, saxby chambliss, dianne feinstein, but not anybody else? until we literally bludgeoned them, diane and i, to include everybody. it is amazing. i pursue dianne feinstein's statement about staff. under the previous administration, when you have a briefing with the presiden
welcome, mr. brennan. if confirmed, you will lead an extraordinary agency with extraordinary people who perform extraordinary services, most of them totally unknown by the american people. most people do not think about that. most of us in public service want everything we do to be known. it is how we got elected. it is very different than the central intelligence agency and i respect it very much. i want to move from ieit to the enhanced interrogation techniques. you talk about the 6000 pages....
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brennan? have you had any assurances from the administration that your request for more information, for more transparency will be met? >> the president certainly indicated he is committed to that. in fact, in our conversation on wednesday night when he called to say that he was going to reverse course, make these documents available, and i said i was encouraged by that, he said he was going to begin an extensive discussion with the american people on these issues to look at fleshing out how to play the public into the discussion of the guidelines with respect to modern warfare where we can both protect our nation and be true to our principles and our checks and balances. i think that would be very helpful right now to have that discussion. >> ron wyden, member of the senate intelligence committee, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >>> a check on how wall street will close out the week is up next in the market rundown. and a live picture here of milford, connecticut. we're keeping a close ey
brennan? have you had any assurances from the administration that your request for more information, for more transparency will be met? >> the president certainly indicated he is committed to that. in fact, in our conversation on wednesday night when he called to say that he was going to reverse course, make these documents available, and i said i was encouraged by that, he said he was going to begin an extensive discussion with the american people on these issues to look at fleshing out...
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and i was hopeful from mr. brennan's testimony that it may be the case now. as far as transparency goes, the public needs to know about the overall program. but as far as the nuances, i don't think that we want to put that out for public consumption. thank you very much. atlanta, georgia. republicans line. caller: thank you. first of all, i think it is a very dangerous idea to legalized killing. as the other gentleman was saying, does he think it is okay to kill people. i think it is a bad idea because, first of all -- and i was listening to mr. brennan and he was saying it is ok, it should be recognized. but killing anyone is an unlawful act. i think we should use the constitution and bring people to justice. because it gives opening doors for other countries to say, we can drone people who spy on our country. i think it is a very bad idea for people to forget about human rights and the americans -- not only american kids but what about the other kids who died, in somalia, iraq. are you saying their life -- americans' lives are more sacred than other peoples
and i was hopeful from mr. brennan's testimony that it may be the case now. as far as transparency goes, the public needs to know about the overall program. but as far as the nuances, i don't think that we want to put that out for public consumption. thank you very much. atlanta, georgia. republicans line. caller: thank you. first of all, i think it is a very dangerous idea to legalized killing. as the other gentleman was saying, does he think it is okay to kill people. i think it is a bad idea...
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mr. brennan, that is your shop. do you have any knowledge about why senator graham's question was not to be answered? >> there is a longstanding tradition understanding of respecting the executive privilege that exists in the presidency in terms of what information is provided to the president or advice, counsel, to him. i would suspect that that question gets into this issue of the executive privilege which i think again has been a long standing tradition. >> are you sure that is the answer or do you think? >> i do not understand, because that will not be a request coming to me. >> i understand, so my direction to you, at what i ask you, is that you review that. we will get you the and notation, if necessary. secretary panetta told us it was detainee information that was key to them finding the courier and bin laden. were you briefed by any of the analysts who tracked down bin laden? >> before the operation? >> yes. >> yes, absolutely. >> is that the information given to you, that it came from interrogation of deta
mr. brennan, that is your shop. do you have any knowledge about why senator graham's question was not to be answered? >> there is a longstanding tradition understanding of respecting the executive privilege that exists in the presidency in terms of what information is provided to the president or advice, counsel, to him. i would suspect that that question gets into this issue of the executive privilege which i think again has been a long standing tradition. >> are you sure that is...
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>> there's talk about -- >> collateral damage. >> wasn't the best part of mr. brennan's testimony. there has been significant collateral damage. the numbers are obviously whether it's hundreds or thousands. the real question is you have to ask yourself on a cost benefit way, yes. at times innocents will be hurt and ask yourself rumsfeld's question. as you do these things, is whatever you're accomplishing against terrorists to some extent offset by the fact you are alienate iing populations a governments with whom you have to work? that's the question you have to constantly ask this cost benefit test. >> am i naive? i have no problem, and i trust my government. once again, maybe that makes me naive, if we got to the point and as i listen to mr. bren than where we were going to do a drone strike against an american citizen it would be the most desperate of times, and i don't want to go through a fisa court and i have no problem with them doing it. >> i understand your feeling on that. the issue here is, you know, gene robinson in his column today, i think, raises a good point. he sai
>> there's talk about -- >> collateral damage. >> wasn't the best part of mr. brennan's testimony. there has been significant collateral damage. the numbers are obviously whether it's hundreds or thousands. the real question is you have to ask yourself on a cost benefit way, yes. at times innocents will be hurt and ask yourself rumsfeld's question. as you do these things, is whatever you're accomplishing against terrorists to some extent offset by the fact you are alienate...
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we are also going to have another classified session with mr. brennan next week. that would give me an opportunity to raise additional questions in this area. right now, i can tell you, i think his biggest challenge in the committee it is a bi-partisan one, is making sure that our committee request get access to the document that we need to conduct oversight. >> bill: you may not be able to answer this question but i want to try it maybe a little differently. for a decision -- >> you are a good journalist. >> bill: or just a pain in the ass. i don't know. but for a decision to target and kill around american citizens overseas because we believe he has been a member of a terrorist organization is that correct decision made by the president of the united states himself? >> again you can't get in to any of these operational, you know, details with respect an issue like that. here is how i come to it. >> bill: okay. >> i believe strongly, bill, that every american has a right to know when their government believes it's shroud to kill them. >> that's where i start this
we are also going to have another classified session with mr. brennan next week. that would give me an opportunity to raise additional questions in this area. right now, i can tell you, i think his biggest challenge in the committee it is a bi-partisan one, is making sure that our committee request get access to the document that we need to conduct oversight. >> bill: you may not be able to answer this question but i want to try it maybe a little differently. for a decision -- >>...
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so far, so good for mr. brennan. but the drone has become the hot issue, because the obama administration has kind of changed positions in the last couple of years about, you know, tactics. >> a little worrisome. that's for sure. >>> well, the dream of luxury living is over for a squatter in south florida. andre barbosa had taken over this foreclosed boca raton mansion, claiming an archaic law called adverse possession. but the bank of america, which owns the multimillion dollar property, had him evicted. the bank even had the locks changed and posted a 24-hour guard just to make sure the place remains unoccupied. >> this story should entertain you guys. a man in tennessee has quit his maintenance job after being linked with the number 666 through his employer several times. first walter received id badge number 666. another work issued document also included the so-called number of the beast. and the final straw was his recent w-2 form, when it included 666. he knew then he simply had to go. >> don't accept any pape
so far, so good for mr. brennan. but the drone has become the hot issue, because the obama administration has kind of changed positions in the last couple of years about, you know, tactics. >> a little worrisome. that's for sure. >>> well, the dream of luxury living is over for a squatter in south florida. andre barbosa had taken over this foreclosed boca raton mansion, claiming an archaic law called adverse possession. but the bank of america, which owns the multimillion dollar...
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after mr. brennan began his testimony, five code pink protesters did their thing one after another, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, in a single several-minute span. >> thank you. a heartfelt thank you also goes to my family in new jersey, especially my 91-year-old mother dorothy, my 92-year-old father owen, who emigrated from ireland nearly 65 years ago -- >> and mr. brennan, if you don't know who they are, i have a list. i have a list of all the names and the -- >> all right. i'm going to -- we're going to halt the hearing. i'm going to ask that the room be cleared and that the code pink associates not be permitted to come back in. we've done this five times now and five times are enough. >> five times will be plenty for you code pink associates. associates? i wonder if that is the hierarchy. senator feinstein today clearly wanted to get on with it, right? regardless of how you feel about the cia or killing people outside war zones or john brennan or the senate or for that matter dianne feinstein you
after mr. brennan began his testimony, five code pink protesters did their thing one after another, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, in a single several-minute span. >> thank you. a heartfelt thank you also goes to my family in new jersey, especially my 91-year-old mother dorothy, my 92-year-old father owen, who emigrated from ireland nearly 65 years ago -- >> and mr. brennan, if you don't know who they are, i have a list. i have a list of all the names and the -- >> all right. i'm...